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Template:Pokémon versus Template:PokéBox[edit source]

The new template, Template:Pokémon, will cut out some things from the old template, Template:PokéBox, but it'll condense things more and allow for the page content to not be pushed down under the template.

[[File:Bulbasaur's artwork|270x200px]]
Seed Pokémon Pokémon
Ability Gender
♂ 87.5%
♀ 12.5%
Pokédex color Egg groups
Brown Unknown
Weight Height
??? ??? ??? ???
Body style Footprint
File:Body.png F000.png
Azurilland Pokédex
HP Attack Defense
? ? ?
Sp. Attack Sp. Defense Speed
? ? ?

[[Category:Brown Pokémon]]

With this, the content would show to the side of the template as shown here:

Bulbasaur (Japanese: フシギダネ Fushigidane) is the Grass/Poison-type Seed Starter Pokémon of the Kanto region and is the initial Pokémon in the National Pokédex, numbered #001.

Known as the Seed Pokémon, Bulbasaur resembles a small, squatting dinosaur that walks on four legs and has a large plant bulb on its back that is able to shoot seeds out of. It also has large red eyes and has very sharp teeth. Its skin is a light turquoise color with dark green spots. It has three nails on all its four legs. Its most notable feature, however, is the aforementioned bulb on its back, which as the Pokédex states, was planted on it at birth.

I feel this would work out best as it'll contain information to the side of the infobox and won't be pushed down further into the article. It looks nice and it doesn't have to deal with the [show]/[hide]. Jazzi (talk) 13:10, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Looks great to me, but I have two questions: what does that "body style" section beside the footprint contain? And, all the footprint images are already uploaded... Are we going to re-upload from for technicality's sake, or will we just rename the images? Chaos 13:40, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure what the body style section means, I went with the basis of Bermuda's draft template. And yes, I know the footprint images are already uploaded, but they're not cropped, nor transparent. So... it's just easier reuploading them with proper naming and cropping them from that state. Jazzi (talk) 13:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
This is the body style (between the footprint and cries): Also, it may just be me, but I kind of like having the boxes be the same width (just to make it look nicer). What I mean is, it should look something like this, where all the boxes have the same width, rather than one or more of the boxes being larger than the other (the one on the right, where the Cry box makes the width larger than it should be). And I hope I stated that clearly (still dozing off). o_o Bermuda 16:54, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Looks good to me, but I think we need to make it a little easier to use; ie. have the border and background sort of automated instead of putting in the individual codes. Maybe have something like the PokéBox uses except without the dumb template brackets. And I also concur with what Bermuda said, the boxes should be evenly spaced. Side note: the body style is the shape the Pokemon has in the Pokédex in the games. – Crimsonnavy T  S  00:32, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Now that I'm fully refreshed-ish, I can say that the Cry media file causes such distortion. If we add a width, let's say [[File:001.ogg|130px]], it should display how it should be displayed. However, if played, it expands the box once again into distortion. The cause of the distortion is that the content is much larger than the width, making the box(es) expand.
I kind of like having it the way it is organized right now, with body style, footprint, and cry in the same area. But I guess you can put the Cry section into its own line. For instance:
Adding a width to the media file:
Body style Footprint Cry
Bulbasaur's footprint
Putting Cry on its own line:
Body style Footprint
Bulbasaur's footprint
Even with the second design, playing it still expands the template (a little less though, but boxes should still be even, so it doesn't matter). Do something else to it I guess or add something. I'm no technical/coding wizard, so if you know how to fix it, then do it. :P And I second Crimson's ideas with making things a little easier. Bermuda (talk) 01:01, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
We could do this:
Body style Footprint Cry
Bulbasaur's Body Style Bulbasaur's footprint
With this, it wouldn't expand as much, the only drawback would be that you can't adjust the volume except by using arrows. – Crimsonnavy T  S  01:33, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

(Reset indent) Also, I think all of the footprints are already transparent, see: F002.png. This is Ivysaur's Footprint on a black background, it's not visible meaning it is transparent. – Crimsonnavy T  S  01:58, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

People need to be able to input their own information into infoboxes. And it's easier going through and saving then altering the images from a different site than going through, finding the poorly named images, saving from there, cropping, reuploading, and all that stuff. Jazzi (talk) 10:25, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't really see why we need to re-upload images to basically longer names of what they are called now. As long as they are transparent, I don't think they even need to be cropped and it seems like a waste of time to upload 600+ images because we want them cropped and renamed. Also, don't we want to keep everything uniform, if anyone can put whatever color into the templates, each page could be completely different from the previous one. I don't see what harm could come from having the colors, sprites, etc. filled in by other variables like its class, National dex number, etc. – Crimsonnavy T  S  10:47, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
@Jazzi: It's not really a hassle to find the footprint images; if they aren't always uniformly named, you can always go on the Pokémon's page and then find the image name from there. And I agree with Crimson's points. What do you mean by people needing to input their own information into infoboxes? Chaos 12:24, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
You go with the light color for the boxes. And the middle color for the borders. Are we really this lazy? And who knows where the images came from and yes, we must. Because A. We don't know where they came from B. Not licensed C. Poor naming system. If you're really lazy then it's a problem. But we shouldn't be, and as such it shouldn't be a problem. Jazzi (talk) 18:52, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
We shouldn't have to look up the various type hex codes just to fill in a template, it's not laziness to make a template easier to use. Don't we want anyone to be able to use this template? Not just people who have to time to look up the type hex codes and every single image? And I'm not just talking about the type colors; the artwork, the sprite, the ogg file and the foot print can be added by just filling the ndex and/or the name of the Pokemon. I don't see anything wrong with how the old template worked besides the design coding. Isn't it our job to make things easy to read and easy to edit? Also, I don't see anything wrong with the existing footprint files, how they are cropped or their naming. I thought it doesn't matter where they come from, since they are fairuse, and I see the Fndex#.png as a better system then naming them after the Pokemon they are from, what will we do with possible new Pokemon in the future? Just keep renaming them until we know their English names? I'm sorry if my reply comes across hard, but I really don't see the logic in some of this. – Crimsonnavy T  S  20:54, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
A consistent naming convention is really desirable, and template colors shouldn't be parameters but template logic. The spanish wiki use a CSS class for type1 and type2 parameters which defines in the MediaWiki:Common.css the colors of the entire template, so people don't try to mass-edit Pokémon pages just by varying the color of a type for his/her convenience, and in case some colors need to be changed, it can be done on a single point. It doesn't matter if you define them as a CSS class or in a switch parser function that get the code for each type.
Also, it would be desirable that all parameters are kept as simple as possible, with no formatting or even wikilinking at all. Types should be split in two parameters with only the type name (the template should add t as needed, same with gender (so people don't need to copypaste the male and female symbols from other pages, or even replace it by a image).
And the link to marriland shouldn't be there at all. We already have {{{name}}} to dynamically construct the URLs.
About image naming, I highly prefer using actual Pokémon names rather than its Dex number, since everybody know the Pokémon name, but not necessarily the Dex number. Also, it improves SEO for those images. Renaming images when names of new Pokémon are officially revealed are just a very minor issue compared to the overall benefit of using Pokémon names. And trust me, I have experience on this. --Ciencia Al Poder (talk) 09:34, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm all for having a gender icon template, because it is a pain inserting those symbols, plus using images may be a nice touch.
The links to the Marriland Pokédex on the site is going to be important, because it's a counterpart to the Marriland Wiki and will provide a very resourceful search once the new site redesign is complete. It's something that separates us from Bulbapedia; we have our own full-fledged Pokémon resource site, so where the Wiki can be most synergetic with the main site is providing all of the extra information that doesn't fit into a Pokédex database page. Also, any of the stuff on the Marriland Pokédex can freely be incorporated into the Wiki, and there are footprints available there for every Pokémon in case they aren't all uploaded yet. Have at it.
Lastly, I am a fan of having the Pokémon name instead of the number for image names. SEO reasons are great, plus it is easier for people to remember. —Marriland 02:49, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
One more thing to add that I just noticed: please, we need to change one of the parameters from jap to something else more appropriate. japanese or jpn or even jp is appropriate, but "jap" is a derogatory and offensive term to call someone of Japanese heritage and has no place on this website. It is not just a short form of Japanese or Japan. —Personal Image - Marriland.pngMarriland 15:52, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

(Reset indent) We will be changing that right away then. Jazzi (talk) 18:07, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I've changed it so that the "cry" part is on it's own line. Jazzi (talk) 13:25, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Re-organization[edit source]

While we're on the topic of re-organizing these Pokémon pages, I just want to get this out. Articles are all messy. I'm suggesting something like this:

{pokemon template}
Brief biography

Full biography (usually taken out of the Pokédex)

===Gender differences===
(Regardless of whether the Pokémon has a gender or not, this should be added for consistency)

===Formes (or forms?)===
(If they have one)

(Pretty much self-explanatory)

==Game data==
(should it be placed somewhere else in the game data?)
(base, Pokéathlon, any other games where the Pokémon have stats)


====Side-game Pokédex====
(should there be a section for side-game data?)
====Side-game location====
(should there be a section for side-game data?)
===Learnset (or Moveset)===
(leveling up moves)

====TM and HM====
(TM and HM moves)

====Egg moves====
(breeding moves)

(tutoring moves)

====Special moves====
(moves not normally learned in any way but given through events, etc.)


===Other sprites===
(basically outside the main series games)

(should the following three sections [anime, manga, tcg] be categorized as "other appearances" or separate?)
==In the anime==

==In the manga==

==In the TCG==
(trading card game)

==Other appearances==
Pretty much any other media, such as other video games (Super Smash Bros., cartoons, etc.)





{nav templates}

There's possibly more that I've left out or missed. This is just my suggestion. Bermuda (talk) 17:35, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm liking this. My concern is that it is too similar to Bulbapedia's standard scheme, although it's a very standard way to present information. Even just rewording things so they aren't exactly the same would be good (changing "Biology" to something similar that gets the same point across).
I think that the "In the anime", "In the manga", and "Other appearances" can stay as their own sections. Possibly reword them to "Anime appearances", "Manga appearances", and "Other appearances" for consistency and separation from Bulbapedia's wording.
And one other nice thing I'm hoping to do is use a bot to populate all of the data portions, like stats and learned moves, because I have those as a database already on, which should help make all of those tables consistent. But having a consistent structure for each Pokémon article is important, so let's start by discussing that. —Marriland 02:40, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
I like the idea of changing "In the..." into what you suggested. Trying to find a good synonym for Biology... maybe I'm just not looking hard enough. :P Anyways, anybody have any other suggestions? There's a lot of work that needs to be done, so (not to rush things) we really need to get moving with the articles (unless you guys are discussing it over on Skype). It would be appropriate to start by the end of the month or early-mid October. Bermuda (talk) 02:50, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Even something as simple as "Description" (instead of Biology) may work, because most of that section is describing its appearance and features, while Biology implies more science. It doesn't quite mesh as well with the subsections, though. "Basic Information" is another catch-all alternative, although it doesn't look quite as clean. —Personal Image - Marriland.pngMarriland 15:58, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Rolling in the changes[edit source]

So it's been two months and nothing has been done about the suggested changes with the template and the page format. I understand that people can be busy at times, but I recommend having the project suggestions be active until a decision is made. We're basically just putting anything that we propose into our pockets and eventually forgetting about it. There are a lot of things being proposed, which can delay other proposals, but, IMO, it's just part of the wiki-life to help the wiki prosper. I wish I could be more active and take part in discussions; either way, I don't really have a lot of opinions and all that on proposals (basically just being bias).

Anyways, hopefully we can say our final decisions about the changes and whether or not to get the project started. Also, shall we move all this project stuff to a forum? Bermuda (talk) 02:41, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Moving it sounds good to me. Chaos 03:49, 1 December 2012 (UTC)